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Model datasheet · Qwen3.5

Qwen3.5 397B-A17B

The largest model on this site and the top of the Qwen3.5 line. Gated DeltaNet plus sparse MoE: only 15 of its 60 layers are full attention, so 256K of context costs about 8GB of cache — remarkably cheap for its size. The weights are the problem, not the cache.

Vendor
Alibaba
Architecture
MoE · 397B total / ~17B active
Context
262,144 tokens
License
Apache-2.0
Released
2026-02-16
Vision
Yes

→ GGUF (llama.cpp / LM Studio / Ollama) → MLX (Apple Silicon)

Architecture, from its own config.json

60 layers · 45 linear / recurrent · 15 full attention

Only 15 of 60 layers hold a cache at all, which is why its memory grows so much more slowly with context than its size suggests.

32 attention heads over 2 KV heads (GQA 16:1), head dim 256 · mixture of experts, 17B of 397B active per token across 10 experts · vocabulary 248,320

Where the memory goes: weights by band above, plus a KV cache of 240MB at 8K · 960MB at 32K · 3.8GB at 128K, plus the runtime's own working memory — dominated by the output projection over that vocabulary.

Inside one layer, from its own tensors

45 × linear / recurrent layer

input_layernormgated delta-net mixerin_proj · conv1d · out_proja fixed-size recurrent state, sothis layer does not grow withcontextpost_attention_layernormmixture of expertsrouter picks 10 of 512 expertseach 1,024 wide: gate·up → downplus a shared expert, run for everytoken

15 × full-attention layer

input_layernormattentionq_projkvsoftmax(q·kᵀ/√d) · vq_norm · k_norm before the dotproduct32 query heads over 2 key/valueheadso_projpost_attention_layernormmixture of expertsrouter picks 10 of 512 expertseach 1,024 wide: gate·up → downplus a shared expert, run for everytoken

The green line down the right of each half is the residual: it leaves the spine above the norm, skips the operation entirely and rejoins at the +. Where attention is drawn open, q, k and v are scaled to their real output widths — a model that shares key and value heads across many query heads shows one wide box beside two narrow ones.

Around the stack: an embedding of 248,320 × 4,096, a final norm, and a separate output projection.

On the norm names: despite what it is called, post_attention_layernorm is drawn after the residual add here, which is where this family applies it — it normalises the input to the feed-forward, not the output of attention. Models that carry a separate pre_feedforward_layernorm use it the other way, and are drawn that way.

§1 Characteristics by quantization band

Q2–Q3 — 2–3 bit

177GB weights · e.g. IQ2_M , Q3_K_M + KV: 240MB at 8K · 960MB at 32K · 3.8GB at 128K
Coding 6/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q3_K_M · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: two points down. At 3-bit a MoE this large loses expert-routing precision first, which surfaces as dropped tool arguments and broken multi-file edits before prose visibly suffers.

Tool calling / agentic 5/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q3_K_M · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: two points down. At 3-bit a MoE this large loses expert-routing precision first, which surfaces as dropped tool arguments and broken multi-file edits before prose visibly suffers.

Q4–Q5 — 4–5 bit

244GB weights · e.g. Q4_K_M + KV: 240MB at 8K · 960MB at 32K · 3.8GB at 128K
Coding 8/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q4_K_M · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: one point down from the measured bf16 figure. 4-bit is the band a model this size is actually run at, and the loss is real but modest.

Math & reasoning 8/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q4_K_M · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: one point down from the measured bf16 figure. 4-bit is the band a model this size is actually run at, and the loss is real but modest.

Tool calling / agentic 7/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q4_K_M · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: one point down from the measured bf16 figure. 4-bit is the band a model this size is actually run at, and the loss is real but modest.

Creative writing 7/10
data checked Oct 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q4_K_M · aggregated · 2026-10-04

    Editorial derivation: carried from the EQ-Bench-anchored full band; creative writing is not quant-sensitive.

Q6–Q8 — 6–8 bit

327GB weights · e.g. Q6_K + KV: 240MB at 8K · 960MB at 32K · 3.8GB at 128K
Coding 9/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q6_K · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: no drop from the measured bf16 figure. 6-8 bit is effectively lossless on a model this size — the differences that show up at 4-bit and below are not measurable here. Recorded explicitly rather than left to band fallback, which would otherwise borrow the 4-bit number and subtract a point.

Factuality 8/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q6_K · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: no drop from the measured bf16 figure. 6-8 bit is effectively lossless on a model this size — the differences that show up at 4-bit and below are not measurable here. Recorded explicitly rather than left to band fallback, which would otherwise borrow the 4-bit number and subtract a point.

Instruction following 9/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q6_K · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: no drop from the measured bf16 figure. 6-8 bit is effectively lossless on a model this size — the differences that show up at 4-bit and below are not measurable here. Recorded explicitly rather than left to band fallback, which would otherwise borrow the 4-bit number and subtract a point.

Math & reasoning 9/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q6_K · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: no drop from the measured bf16 figure. 6-8 bit is effectively lossless on a model this size — the differences that show up at 4-bit and below are not measurable here. Recorded explicitly rather than left to band fallback, which would otherwise borrow the 4-bit number and subtract a point.

Tool calling / agentic 8/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q6_K · aggregated · 2026-08-31

    Editorial derivation: no drop from the measured bf16 figure. 6-8 bit is effectively lossless on a model this size — the differences that show up at 4-bit and below are not measurable here. Recorded explicitly rather than left to band fallback, which would otherwise borrow the 4-bit number and subtract a point.

Creative writing 7/10
data checked Oct 2026
  • quant-degradation-community — editorial band derivation @ Q6_K · aggregated · 2026-10-04

    Editorial derivation: carried from the full band; creative writing is not quant-sensitive.

FP16 — full precision (fp16/bf16)

793GB weights · e.g. bf16 + KV: 240MB at 8K · 960MB at 32K · 3.8GB at 128K
Coding 9/10
data checked Aug 2026
Factuality 8/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • vendor-model-card — MMLU-Pro = 87.8 @ bf16 · vendor-reported · 2026-08-31

    No hallucination benchmark published; this is a knowledge score, not a truthfulness one.

Instruction following 9/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • vendor-model-card — IFEval = 92.6 @ bf16 · vendor-reported · 2026-08-31

    IFBench 76.5. Both are program-checkable, so there is little interpretive room.

Math & reasoning 9/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • vendor-model-card — AIME26 = 91.3 @ bf16 · vendor-reported · 2026-08-31

    GPQA 88.4, MMLU-Pro 87.8 — the highest GPQA figure in this catalogue.

Tool calling / agentic 8/10
data checked Aug 2026
  • vendor-model-card — BFCL-V4 = 72.9 @ bf16 · vendor-reported · 2026-08-31

    Terminal Bench 2 52.5 — the best terminal-agent figure here, though BFCL trails GLM-4.7's Tau2 result.

Creative writing 7/10
data checked Oct 2026
  • eqbench-creative — EQ-Bench Creative Writing v3 rubric score (0-20) = 16 @ bf16 · aggregated · 2026-10-04

    Normalised Elo 1478.2, 68th of 140, retrieved 2026-10-04. Rubric level with Gemma 4 31B and 26B-A4B (16.01, 16.03), below Muse Glimmer 30B (16.26, scored 8). Quant not stated by EQ-Bench (presumed full-precision API serving). Independent; rubric judged by Claude Sonnet 4. EQ-Bench's normalised Elo moves as models are added, so the rubric score is the figure stored. Data file behind https://eqbench.com/creative_writing.html; the date the row was added is not published.

  • eqbench-creative — EQ-Bench Creative Writing Longform score (0-100) = 68.3 @ bf16 · aggregated · 2026-10-04

    Longform: the highest figure of any model on this site, ahead of Gemma 4 31B (56.5) and Qwen3.8 27B (53.3). Quant not stated by EQ-Bench (presumed full-precision API serving). Data file behind the Longform page on eqbench.com.

§2 Known issues & what fixes them

ISSUE-01 moderate Q2–Q3 / Q4–Q5 / Q6–Q8 / FP16 · long-context

The unusual shape of this model is that context is cheap and weights are not. Three of every four layers use linear attention, so the KV cache is only 30KB per token — a full 256K context costs about 8GB, less than GLM-4.7 spends on 32K. But the 4-bit weights are 244GB. Nothing about a long context will stop you here; holding the model will.

No fix
No known fix — choose a different model

Architectural, and mostly good news. Size the machine for weights and treat context as close to free.

Evidence · 2 sources · community-consensus
ISSUE-02 moderate Q2–Q3 / Q4–Q5 / Q6–Q8 / FP16 · coding, math

Every number scored here is Alibaba's own. Qwen3.5-397B is a flagship release with headline figures that beat much larger closed models, and no independent replication of those figures exists in this dataset. Treat them as claims. Its factuality and long-context cells are blank rather than estimated because nobody has published a hallucination or RULER result for it.

No fix
No known fix — choose a different model

Nothing to work around — this is a caveat on the evidence, not on the model.

Evidence · 2 sources · community-consensus